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PA Voter
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Mark. Your basis was "If it feels good..." You ended with "Doesn't everyone have the right to the pursuit of happiness as long as it doesn't impede with yours?" So yes, it was the basis.
I do know gay people. I have familiy members and friends who are gay. No they can't choose to not be gay. The argument is where does it stop. You open the door for one group then where do you draw the line in pursuit of happiness?
Where do the candidates stand on the immigration and security policies and the fact that the Pledge of Alligience is banned in some schools because it was offensive to the Mexican population. I've heard critisism about Bush's torture tactics. Our soldiers get arrested and sentenced for displaying pictures of nude captured Taliban fighters but what has been done about the videos of our people getting brutally beheaded on National TV. You don't want to offend anyone but they'll cut your head off and use it as a soccer ball sure as your sitting there. Maybe we should buy them dinner and flowers to get information out of them.
Whatever happened to plain old common sense.
7 November 2006
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Johnny Mars
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Keith has got the right idea. Gay marriages, gun control, religion, are all diversions. The current administration tugs at your heart while it has it's hand in your pocket. There are all different kinds of taxes. For example when the cost of energy increases 50% and you're not clearing at least 50% more money, that's a form of taxation. When it costs more money to go to college, and you're not clearing more money that's also a form of taxation. So I think you get the idea. The reality is you can't legislate morality.(Believe me I'm old enough to remeber when abortions weren't legal) Since people are basically going to do what they want, you're not thinking straight if you vote for any other reason than what is in your best financial interest. No matter what anybody says politics is about one thing: distribution of wealth. The Republicans want to distribute it upways, the democrats want to distribute it downwards. So your vote will probably be predicated on where you fit in to the financial food chain. Unless that is, if you have a pile of money and a conscience, which is a rarity in 2006 America.
7 November 2006 - Biddle(The cradle of Democracy)
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Mark
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"If it feels good, do it!" Wrong, this was not the basis for my argument. Do you know anything about gay people? From everyone I've talked with and from everything I've read, they can no more change the fact that they are gay any more than you and I can change the fact that we are heterosexuals. That's a fact. So no, this isn't about..."If it feels good."
And I know a few gay people, and I'd feel safer hanging out with them than I would going on a hunting trip with Dick Cheney! You wanna legislate something, get the damn guns out of the hands of people that have no business having them.
7 November 2006 - Greensburg
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PA Voter, too
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There it is. The "If it feels good, do it!" argument. You just don't get it.
I'm in no way advocating that legislature is reponsible for social and moral values. I agree with you 100% that it comes from within the family structure but take a look around at the diminishing values we have. Where it's ok to protest at a Veteren's funeral but you're not allowed to use the word "Christmas" in any public displays.
On a lighter note, Sparkle Season is right around the corner.
7 November 2006
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Jimmy
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Mark - If you ever get married to a gay guy, make sure yins wear the same size clothes....that way you can double your wardrobe!
7 November 2006
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Mark
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"Gay marriage doesn't effect me/us. It's nothing more than a fundamental breakdown of family and moral values which doesn't effect us or our children." from PA Voter Too.
Ah here we are, legislating morality again. Whose family values does it break down...certainly not mine. What you, or anyone else does doesn't impact one way or the other how I raise my kid or how I choose to relate with my family. Morality has to come from within. If you're relying on some politician to legislate it, you are missing the boat.
LIke I said, gay people aren't going away just because they can't legally marry, so I'm a bit confused as to why this is a breakdown of our values??? Doesn't everyone have the right to the pursuit of happiness as long as that pursuit doesn't impede anyone else's well being?
7 November 2006 - Greensburg
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PA Voter, too
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to Casey fan. Regarding your statement about voters being blind. Maybe YOU should read Casey's web page along pa.voters.info as well as other informative sights. Casey is catholic AND pro-life AND pro-gay marriage. Hard to believe that someone can talk out of both sides of their mouth so to speak. But hey..
I agree. Gay marriage doesn't effect me/us. It's nothing more than a fundamental breakdown of family and moral values which doesn't effect us or our children.
7 November 2006 - The Dumps
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Mark
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Keith great points, and as always, very well stated. What I don't get is why politicians feel the need to campaign against gay marriages. What's the big deal...I have nothing against gays. But even if you are against them, it's not like banning a gay union is gonna make them "go away." It's just one of those issues that politicians choose to hang their hat on, because they know that it will automatically get them votes. Same with the Pro Lifers. Bush will say everything he can to appeal to that group; yet at the end of the day (as Sue rightfully pointed out) how much death is HE responsible for in Iraq? So what is the difference?
Now go vote!!!
7 November 2006 - Greensburg
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Keith G. Kondrich
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Proponents of same sex unions are missing the boat entirely. Somewhere along the line, they lost sight of the fact that the issue is not, and never has been, about "family values". The issue is about economics.
The gambling lobbies know this better than anyone else. Despite the irreparable damage that gambling will do to families in our region as a result of lost wages, absence from home, and other gambling-related addictions, we don’t hear our political or religious leaders crying out against slot machines in Pennsylvania. The gun lobbies know this as well. Despite annual increases in school and family violence as a result of easy access to handguns in our country, we don’t hear our political or religious leaders crying out in favor of stricter gun control legislation.
Psychologically, sociologically, and economically, gambling and guns pose a far greater and more immediate threat to family values than gay marriage ever will. Unfortunately, they are also both big business, making big dollars at the expense of our families.
Perhaps our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters need to adopt a new strategy. Perhaps if they found a way for our leaders and their associates to get rich off of same sex unions, our "family values" champions would be forced to identify a different enemy. It is all about economics!
7 November 2006 - Pittsburgh, PA
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Frankie
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Just think of all of the people that W had aborted in Iraq! We need to make sure that we don't have oil war #3, but must be careful that we don't swing too far to the left. That will invite the Fascists to return in the future...
7 November 2006
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